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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 5, 2009 7:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Pricing at the DEAD Store: early era value...

So, thread about Rhino got me thinking as to the "value" for various releases...was scanning the DL section at the Web Store to see what's currently available, and was struck by the price differential for various studio releases. TStation was only $5.99 whereas AmBeauty was $17.99!? At first I thought it was because the former was just the straight up orig album, and the latter must be the expanded version released as part of the Golden Road boxed set. However, strangely enough, it appears BOTH are just the orig album releases (why wouldn't they have used the expanded AmBea???).

Unlike inferences in some of our previous discussions, this suggests that they are pricing releases using the "William Tell Assessment of Value Metric", doesn't it?

An early era album selling for virtually three times a post 71 release? Til now, I'd thought they basically priced everything more or less equally (ie, all big, 8-11 disk boxed sets have gone for $100, right?). Seems clear they have seen the light and recognize early era value as a distinctly different commodity.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 5, 2009 9:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pricing at the DEAD Store: early era value...

I dunno. When I go to the Dead store, the CD price for Terp and AB are the same ($17) while the digital versions are only about 2 dollars different. I assume this has to do with number of tracks to be downloaded. Perhaps this has nothing to do with value of eras. Rather it is the ability of dead.net to determine the demand from any given user. When they see your IP address come up, of course they are going to gouge you for AB and practically give away Terp. Interestingly the only studio album that came up significantly cheaper on my display was Built To Last.....

On a side note, i was impressed with the number of digital formats that they now have available. Why they can't do this with the new releases is beyond me.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 5, 2009 9:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pricing at the DEAD Store: early era value...

Hmmm--you mean you don't see the 5.99 vs 17.99 on the DL pages? Here's the text (the little album images won't copy):

"Terrapin Station
$5.99
What A Long Strange Trip It's Been - The Best Of The Grateful Dead
$11.99
American Beauty
$17.99"

Or did you find a different "digital" format for the two dollars difference? Or are you just pulling my leg?

Could it really just be the number of tracks? Dunno either!

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 5, 2009 9:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pricing at the DEAD Store: early era value...

Deleted on the grounds of rampant idiocy and not paying proper attention.

By which criteria I may have a lot of deleting to do...

This post was modified by robthewordsmith on 2009-10-05 16:49:34

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Oct 5, 2009 9:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pricing at the DEAD Store: early era value...

Yup, the price shown is for 320 byte MP3 and several other options are available for download including FLAC and WMA. Click on the album, then a "select format" will appear.

This obviously further confuses the valuation, so more economic statistical data will need to be charted.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 5, 2009 10:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pricing at the DEAD Store: early era value...

No leg pulling. The prices shown are for different formats. So perhaps the feeling is that people who by Terp are willing to settle for .mp3 while the true audiofiles will go to AB and won't bother with a lossy format.

Early i went under studio recordings to do my comparison. There they also have the CD prices and in most cases they are expanded formats with up to 6 additional tracks.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 5, 2009 11:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am not completely wrong....

Well I'll be...would have assumed the price on the "front page" was the same for all formats--ie, they would show "mp3" for all, or flac for all!

However, I are still right: flac for TS is $8.99 while for AmBeau it is $14.99...that can't be due to number of tracks can it? And both say "orig album"...

But here's the major flaw in my analysis: SDStreet is also $14.99!?!?!?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 5, 2009 12:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am not completely wrong....

The original AB and SDS had 10 tracks, TP only had 6. I think it might be that simple.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 5, 2009 12:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am not completely wrong....

"simple?" no wonder WT cannot figure it out! He'd over analyze the reason why he cant outrace a rounded rat turd careening down a pool slide.

:-P

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 5, 2009 1:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am not completely wrong....

not sure i have ever even considered analyzing that. Even less sure how you picked that example. Admit it, you've done this little experiment haven't you? Did you ever get close to winning? If not, try racing a mouse turd next time.

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Poster: high flow Date: Oct 5, 2009 1:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am not completely wrong....

Foolish Elbow. Everyone knows mouse turds don't roll.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 5, 2009 1:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am not completely wrong....

Clearly L has spent some time considering this...I have as well, and am happy to report that the rat turd, as well as mouse turd losses were entirely due to my not accounting for windage. As you note, the small size and symmetry makes for a tough competitor! However, you will be pleased to hear that racing a large, wet, elephant poop is a piece of cake!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 5, 2009 1:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am not completely wrong....

you get an A+ young Master Tell. You have studied well.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 5, 2009 1:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am not completely wrong....elb is more right

I have conducted the following analysis since clearly you are the only one that gives a rat's ass about this other than Dire the mouse turd muncher:

ALBUM.....Tracks.....Price

GTHeav.....8.....8.99

TeStat.....6.....8.99

MarHot.....8.....11.99

FirstA.....9.....13.37

BFAlla.....12....14.99

AmBeau.....10....14.99

Clearly, there is a highly significant correlation between track # and pricing...NOTE: this was using the actual number of tracks on the album, and NOT what they might have done at DEAD enterprises (ie, if they broke them up differently, like TStat).

The only discrepancy would seem to be GoToHeaven, which is the last remaining datum to support my thesis (early is valued).

I now humbly concede the floor to my learn-ID colleague from the medical profession, L.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 5, 2009 2:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am not completely wrong....elb is more right

Well since I got passed over again in Stockholm today this provides some comfort. Thanks.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 5, 2009 4:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst cover ever...

I am just glad to see GTHeav seemed to be devalued...for the cover alone it should be!

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 5, 2009 7:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst cover ever...

Phil agrees! This is from the q and a he did at blender that LIA posted a few weeks back.

What feeling do you get in your stomach when you see the cover of Go to Heaven?
Shakedown Dan, Hampton, VA
[Laughs.] That’s a good one. Revulsion!

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 6, 2009 6:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst cover ever...

My vote is for

http://netraja.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/grateful-dead-in-the-dark-front.jpg

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Oct 5, 2009 11:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am not completely wrong....

I do remember you talking about the huge impact of "I Need a Miracle" when you saw it live, so maybe there's lots of folks like you out there!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 5, 2009 7:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pricing at the DEAD Store: early era value...

the "William Tell Assessment of Value Metric",



sweet mother of mercy!!!

(i did, however, get a good laugh with that one. nicely done sir)

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Oct 5, 2009 8:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pricing at the DEAD Store: early era value...

I Tunes also has American Beauty at a premium, but it is the remastered copy with bonus tracks. Price is $11.99, but I'm not sure of the quality comparison in terms of lossless vs. lossy. There is also a version with additional interviews and video available for the I tunes only player.

Comparing Tunes to the Dead Store gives no quick clues to evaluation but the WT valuation theory is as good as the next.

I would assume that the band probably has nothing to do with the sales price of goods at the Dead Store, but it's interesting to note which albums have been moved to the digital cut-out bin.




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